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For the upcoming 2.6.0 version (which will be on the public beta test server in March) we worked on several improvements for the Kolossium, mainly focusing on solving players’ major issues regarding the rating system.


 Adjusting experiences rewards:


Experience rewards in the Kolossium are now indexed by the player’s rating rather than only their level. This modification has been made in order to encourage players to seek their true rating and deter people from artificially reducing their rating. A character’s level will determine the maximum experience that they could possibly win while his rating determines how much he actually wins per battle.
This adjustment means that the experience reward from Kolossium will be reduced for all characters whose rating is too low in relation to their level. This modification will not allow you to gain more experience than the current live version of the Kolossium.
 

Rating system changes: 


We’ve added several modifications to solve the problems of “stuck” rating that wouldn’t change, regardless of a high successive number of wins or defeats.

The system now accounts for an abnormal win and loss ratio (ratios that are too far away from 50%) in order to adjust the character’s rating to a more coherent value quicker. Thus, a character which easily wins all of his fights will see his rating quickly increase until his victory rate get close to 50%.
 
In addition, we’ve also worked on the issue of abnormal rating loss (losing ratings after winning a battle) and major rating loss (some character would lose more than 30% of their rating in a single defeat).
 
We’ve also developed new tools in order to analyse Kolossium fights logs, which allowed us to figure out the origin of major unexpected rating shifts, upward or downward. These happened in a very particular case (only one of the characters in the team had a really high uncertainty) and should now be solved.
Of course, character with a very high uncertainty (those who are at their first step into the Kolossium) will still continue to be the target of important rating variation in order to quickly reach their true rating.
 
We’ve also revised the upper limit for the maximum rating, which may now reach 2297 (with a minimum of three points of uncertainty). This modification mainly targets player that makes teams of 1 or 2 very powerful characters and 1 or 2 secondary character with a very low rating in order to artificially reduce their team rating (ensuring they’ll fight team they are certain to defeat).

Even by swapping the secondary characters often, the main character will keeps on gaining ranking points if they win their fights too often, and that new maximum rating value will compensate for the attempts to artificially reduce the team rating.
 
In addition, a lower limit has been added to all characters in relationship to their level. This very lenient limit only really matters to players attempting to artificially reduce their character rating.
 

Limiting number of fights:


We have implemented two limitations in regard to the maximum number of Kolossium fights (won or lost) that a player can do: 5 fights per hour and 50 fights per days.
We wants player to try their best to win their fight and not forfeit as soon as victory isn’t certain.
These limitations should only penalize players who forfeit their Kolossium fights too often and too quickly.
These values may of course be subject to changes in future updates.
 

Team creation:


The random team creation system has been improved. When 2 teams of 3 characters have been picked for a fight, the system will try additional characters combinations to try and create two balanced teams.
 

Improvement in the transition between combats:


The transition between PVM (Players versus Monsters), perceptors and Kolossium fights sometime forced the player to manually disconnect and reconnect in order to participate in the Kolossium fight.
We’ve identified the likely source of those issues and entirely revised how we handle transitioning between types of fights in order for players to experience a smooth switch to a Kolossium fight while in another fight without any problem.
 

Rating reset:


The rating of all characters will be reset in order to properly accept these modifications. All fighters will start their first fights in the Kolossium after this update with a high uncertainty that will allow them to reach their true rating more quickly.
 
The rating reset might cause reducedKolossokens and experiencesrewards during the first fights after the update (until the character’s rating stabilizes).
 

New maps:


For the Kolossium, we’ve decided to only keep the 12 Goultarminator (2011 Edition) maps and then created another 12 specially designed maps for the Kolossium in order to have a total of 24 different maps dedicated to PVP fights.






We’ll let you to discover those new maps in-game, but nevertheless, have a small “technical” peek.
 

Those new maps were all build around a central symmetry to prevent any team from having an environmental advantage.
 
The starting positions were designed to restrict the lines of sight on opponents during the initial turn. Those positions are also generally far across from one another (for the same team), in order to limit the use of protection spells, or area-of-effect allied bonuses on the very first turn.
 
Similarly to the old 12 maps of the Goultarminator, those new maps stray away from close- or melee-ranged starts (unless both teams both willingly picks to start within proximity of one another) in order to favor a tactical approach at long- or mid-range during the initial phase of the fight.
 

Increasing the value of Kolossokens:


With this update, the soul stones will no longer sold by NPCs (they will need to be crafted via using the pebbles from the Kolossium) and the Kolossium’s pebbles will also be used in some of the recipes for the upcoming end-game set. Those modifications should leads to an increase in the Kolossokens value.
Those modifications should solve the main issues that we’ve identified in the Kolossium system. We’ll keep monitoring its behavior and will adjust it if needed.
 
 
(*Many thanks to our volunteer translator for their assistance in getting this devblog out in a timely manner!)
 
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Revil-Nunor 07 April 2012 - 21:35
If you go back a few months Mod Raiu posted how the system worked, I am just not up to digging it out tho, maybe if you ankabox him he can find it.
SniperViper 07 April 2012 - 21:28

(CatOcatastrofe @ 07 April 2012 05:17) *

(SniperViper @ 06 April 2012 21:33) *
Gotta say... I love this new update and it pairs up fights really quickly. Although the xp was nerfed a bit, I like how it is rating based, so we wouldn't have lvl 199's purposely dropping their rating in order to get easier fights.

I am however noticing that 5 fights in an hour might be a little low. If you are in a damage team against mainly other damage teams, most fights would take 10 mins or under. This they should changed this restriction a bit (and yes I know they said it is subject to change....just saying they should).

Thanks.
Hey Sniper, by change do you mean... damage teams should get priority facing other damage teams ? I genuinely don't grasp the vague suggestion.
No... all I wanted to say was to increase the number of fights per hours xD
It was just an example that I see very frequently... the fights are rather short and the limitation becomes annoying.

....................

Also... how exactly does the rating system work? I think it is still messed up a bit.
My friend's rating went up after losing... this should never happen. Never.
(Additionally your rating should never go down after losing... but I'm not sure if that happens).

Can we possibly see how exactly the calculations are done? Because it still needs fixing.

Edit: It would also be nice to see how the pairings are done.
CatOcatastrofe 07 April 2012 - 05:17

(SniperViper @ 06 April 2012 21:33) *
Gotta say... I love this new update and it pairs up fights really quickly. Although the xp was nerfed a bit, I like how it is rating based, so we wouldn't have lvl 199's purposely dropping their rating in order to get easier fights.

I am however noticing that 5 fights in an hour might be a little low. If you are in a damage team against mainly other damage teams, most fights would take 10 mins or under. This they should changed this restriction a bit (and yes I know they said it is subject to change....just saying they should).

Thanks.
Hey Sniper, by change do you mean... damage teams should get priority facing other damage teams ? I genuinely don't grasp the vague suggestion.  
SniperViper 06 April 2012 - 21:33
Gotta say... I love this new update and it pairs up fights really quickly. Although the xp was nerfed a bit, I like how it is rating based, so we wouldn't have lvl 199's purposely dropping their rating in order to get easier fights.

I am however noticing that 5 fights in an hour might be a little low. If you are in a damage team against mainly other damage teams, most fights would take 10 mins or under. This they should changed this restriction a bit (and yes I know they said it is subject to change....just saying they should).

Thanks.
Revil-Nunor 06 April 2012 - 18:31

(fusionofhorizon @ 06 April 2012 18:28) *

(Schmendrick @ 11 March 2012 20:31) *

If you want the short version: a "level only" system means that you want the game to consider a character with 2000 HP, 10 AP, and 5 MP (a level 50 with overmaged gear) to be less powerful and fight weaker opponents than a character with 1200 HP, 8 AP, and 4 MP (a level 120 with average gear).

Exactly how many such overmaged twinks does it require to justify the ridiculous rating system that allow hundreds of matches consisting of (regular) level 160 + 160 +160 vs. level 200 + 200 + 200?
If you read the full thread I am sure you will notice several people pointed out that you need to wait a few days for the ratings to return to their normal levels. I know I have said it at least twice that the ratings for the 200s were reset to 1250 so everyone will be on the same ratings for a few days. After those few days the 200s will be in the 1800s again and you won't be, then you won't see them anymore. If you want to make a twink that is so good that you get an 1800 rating and get the 200s, well you brought that on yourself.
CatOcatastrofe 06 April 2012 - 18:29

(aristides86 @ 06 April 2012 16:03) *
I know I'm just moaning but it's the only thing I can do in this situation (except accepting and move on). There were alot of disappointing updates last year, but this one is just killing me.

Oh well...
Don't worry, people get caught up in the small things; when every PvM/PvP is a 50/50 at it's core (No-one can predict when you will get crit fails, or even in a row for that matter), so with that said, Kolo matches are similar, in that respect, if you follow... (Nothing is predictable at it's core; have faith in your ability though!) Giving up is half the battle; the other half is losing.
fusionofhorizon 06 April 2012 - 18:28

(Schmendrick @ 11 March 2012 20:31) *

If you want the short version: a "level only" system means that you want the game to consider a character with 2000 HP, 10 AP, and 5 MP (a level 50 with overmaged gear) to be less powerful and fight weaker opponents than a character with 1200 HP, 8 AP, and 4 MP (a level 120 with average gear).

Exactly how many such overmaged twinks does it require to justify the ridiculous rating system that allow hundreds of matches consisting of (regular) level 160 + 160 + 160 vs. level 200 + 200 + 200, which is more than 90% of the matches that non-epic level players encounter? (Aside from the fact that on the Retalin server which I am on I am yet to see a single twink like that.)

 
aristides86 06 April 2012 - 16:03
I know I'm just moaning but it's the only thing I can do in this situation (except accepting and move on). There were alot of disappointing updates last year, but this one is just killing me.

Oh well...
BlazingFireSkull 06 April 2012 - 04:11
On my server crimson pebbles are worth around 1kk-2kk. Worth a lot less then if you sell the stone after you soul, or if its for the ochre dofus in eternal harvest, or the drops or exp you get from fighting the soul after .


(aristides86 @ 06 April 2012 03:58) *
Feline Spirit became useless. Why did you do that?
You gotta admit its OP doing such high damage for low ap cost. If you rely on 1 spell or you choose the eca because of feline spirit thats a bad decision. As Philistine said, there is more to an eca than feline spirit. Thats why my eca is agi . I love the AoE from reflex and dmg from bluff (Even though its a gamble I still enjoy it- isn't the eca supposed to be a gamble?) Hell, I can hit around as much as a str eca in AoE on reflex in agi set. (around 310 per cast and I'm 115)Fun part about being agi in my 1/2 crit set is I hit low which kinda sucks but then I get tons of crit suprising the opponent. My friend eca just came back, she's only lvl 59 in a gobball set, she actually kinda sucks and she didn't care about nerf even though feline spirit was her fave spell, she just said it'll just require a slight change in playstyle and went on with her gambling life.


(watdosntexist @ 04 April 2012 16:25) *
I think that 5 kolos per hour is a bit to low and i think that kolo shoulf have more than one way to fight one should be on your rating and onr should be on your level also i thonk there should be a 1v1 kolo on rating and level it would makr kolo so much better because ypu havr more options and you are noy facing the samr people over and over of you get tired of bad teams u can do one v one and rely on yourself i just think kolo would be better woth those choices
It usually takes me a bit over 15 mins to finish a fight I was like OMG why are you doing this then I thought how long it takes me to finish 1 kolo fight and 5 kolos an hours really wasn't that overwhelming.