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Hello everyone!

Last Wednesday, we announced that Gift Points would no longer be issued as of February 22nd, a decision that quickly set the forums alight – and that’s putting it mildly! I thought I’d take a moment to speak to you about the reasons why we made this choice, what the implications are, and above all, to reassure you!

Let’s start with a brief recap about what Gift Points are and how they came about.

How Gift Points came about:

When we launched the Ogrines service, we wanted to provide asystem that would put buying Ogrines and buying a subscription on an equal footing.

At first glance, subscribing with Ogrines might not seem cost-effective. For example, a one month subscription costs €5 (or 3,000 Ogrines), but the minimum amount of Ogrines you can buy using your bank card is 6,000, or €10.

However, although you’ve paid twice as much, you get triple the benefits – a two month subscription and associated subscription gifts, as well as Gift Points and the associated reward from the Gift Points section of the website.

At the time, our objective was clear: we wanted to support the launch of Ogrines, and the most direct way of doing that was to reward the purchase of Ogrines.

What about the situation now?

It’s been more than 2 years since the Ogrines system was created, and it has been accepted by the majority of players. Even new players now subscribe using Ogrines (over a third of new subscriptions, excluding “mule” accounts), and with good reason, because Ogrines let you access more and more things. The Kama Exchanges are full, and new services have appeared, like server transfers and being able to restore a deleted character etc.

The MMOG market has also changed: two years ago, “points” were only found in Asian F2P MMOG, to be spent in item malls, little appreciated by Western players. Now, more and more MMOG use them, such as Flyff,  EverQuest 2 (and very soon EQ1), Age of Conan, Aion and All Point Bulletin. In a slightly different way, there’s also League of Legends, whose success has largely contributed to the development and understanding of the system. And of course, let’s not forget Xbox Live.

So, how do Ogrines fit in all this? We want our players to continue to benefit, which means no longer rewarding how much money you spend, but how many Ogrines you use! The Kama Exchange remains a unique element of DOFUS, and we are one of the few MMORPG where users can exchange Kamas and Ogrines with each other at rates they set themselves.

Two years ago, a player exchanging their Kamas for Ogrines and then subscribing with them wouldn’t have received any gift in return. From February 22nd, the player will receive a subscription gift as if they had paid with a credit card (for example). We want to ensure that players who use the Kama Exchange (and they are often experienced players) benefit even more, given that they are the ones keeping the Exchange alive.

Ogrines have become a payment method in their own right, which is not only proof of their maturity, but also their success.

What happens now?

So, we’ve made it clear that Gift Points will be going the way of the dodo, but how will it happen?

If you buy Ogrines from February 22nd 2012, you will no longer receive any gift points. However, the gift section of the website will remain open and any gift points that you still own will remain valid: you just won’t be able to get any more.

The gift section will eventually close later in the year, more than likely this summer. Whatever happens, we will keep you updated, and give you plenty of warning.

To infinity and beyond!

To end this Devblog post, let’s look to the future: what new things can we expect for Ogrines in 2012?

We’re currently preparing a new interface for the Kama Exchange. It’s taken a while, but we wanted to be sure that the result would be as simple and efficient as possible. Incidentally, the new Kama Exchange will be accessible from a web browser, so you’ll be able to manage your offers and keep an eye out for bargains at any time, without having to launch DOFUS!

New DOFUS services will also be making an appearance. This time, we’re going to give guild leaders the opportunity to change their guilds’ names and emblems.

And there’ll be a few other things, but more about them another time!

Until then, happy gaming!

By: SebsokK, on 10 February 2012

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CatOcatastrofe 24 February 2012 - 23:40

(IPlayNaked82 @ 24 February 2012 19:51) *


(I'm referring to the weapon nerf).

There are two changes being made here, and they are not dependent upon each other, which is how it is being made to sound. The first change which most players probably feel is a good change is that now the sub gift will be awarded to the person who spends the ogrines to sub as opposed to the person who originally bought them. Fair enough, that sounds like a more fair way to do things. The second, bad idea, is to remove gift points as the reward for ogrines. The best solution for THE PLAYERS would be as follows: Get rid of subscription gifts and instead replace them with gift points which are far superior. Give gift points to the person who spends them on subscription time instead of the person who bought them.


Implying there has not already been a weapon nerf.

Granted, this one will be more noticeable - or so they claim... We won't know untill the end result...
Alyss-Sin 24 February 2012 - 21:56

(IPlayNaked82 @ 24 February 2012 19:51) *
I'm going to re-post most of what I said in the original thread Izmar posted as it is relevant here as well.

Here's the problem I have with this decision. Gift points are better then subscription gifts, that's obvious to anyone with half a working brain. Gift points can be saved and cashed in for a pet or livit-inem that's worth having. Most people I know and this includes myself sub either one month or 3 months at a time, and those gifts suck, they rot in the bank or get sold off to noobs for next to nothing. You guys might pull the wool over the eyes of the children who play but not me, you could care less about unspent gift points. If gift points are unspent then it's probably cuz they are saving for something good, although I don't believe that they are (unspent). If this is true then rework the pages that should inform people that they are getting gift points with their purchase because obviously it is poorly designed if this is true.

I believe the whole point of this is to try to make people sub for 6 months or a year at a time to get the good gifts, since that money is guaranteed regardless of whether or not they take a break or quit. If I sub a month at a time and for some reason I can't play dofus for the next 4 months 6 days and 13 hours then I won't sub anymore and dofus doesn't get that money from me. If however I already forked over the money for a years sub, because I wanted a pet that doesn't suck then Ankama misses out on nothing, as whether I play or not they got paid. With another round of changes coming up that people are no doubt going to be upset about that might be a financially smart move (I'm referring to the weapon nerf). I don't care for this type of business strategy, I find it rather distasteful.

There are two changes being made here, and they are not dependent upon each other, which is how it is being made to sound. The first change which most players probably feel is a good change is that now the sub gift will be awarded to the person who spends the ogrines to sub as opposed to the person who originally bought them. Fair enough, that sounds like a more fair way to do things. The second, bad idea, is to remove gift points as the reward for ogrines. The best solution for THE PLAYERS would be as follows: Get rid of subscription gifts and instead replace them with gift points which are far superior. Give gift points to the person who spends them on subscription time instead of the person who bought them.
Couldn't have said it better any other way. This is EXACTLY what the majority of us are feeling.
IPlayNaked82 24 February 2012 - 19:51
I'm going to re-post most of what I said in the original thread Izmar posted as it is relevant here as well.

Here's the problem I have with this decision. Gift points are better then subscription gifts, that's obvious to anyone with half a working brain. Gift points can be saved and cashed in for a pet or livit-inem that's worth having. Most people I know and this includes myself sub either one month or 3 months at a time, and those gifts suck, they rot in the bank or get sold off to noobs for next to nothing. You guys might pull the wool over the eyes of the children who play but not me, you could care less about unspent gift points. If gift points are unspent then it's probably cuz they are saving for something good, although I don't believe that they are (unspent). If this is true then rework the pages that should inform people that they are getting gift points with their purchase because obviously it is poorly designed if this is true.

I believe the whole point of this is to try to make people sub for 6 months or a year at a time to get the good gifts, since that money is guaranteed regardless of whether or not they take a break or quit. If I sub a month at a time and for some reason I can't play dofus for the next 4 months 6 days and 13 hours then I won't sub anymore and dofus doesn't get that money from me. If however I already forked over the money for a years sub, because I wanted a pet that doesn't suck then Ankama misses out on nothing, as whether I play or not they got paid. With another round of changes coming up that people are no doubt going to be upset about that might be a financially smart move (I'm referring to the weapon nerf). I don't care for this type of business strategy, I find it rather distasteful.

There are two changes being made here, and they are not dependent upon each other, which is how it is being made to sound. The first change which most players probably feel is a good change is that now the sub gift will be awarded to the person who spends the ogrines to sub as opposed to the person who originally bought them. Fair enough, that sounds like a more fair way to do things. The second, bad idea, is to remove gift points as the reward for ogrines. The best solution for THE PLAYERS would be as follows: Get rid of subscription gifts and instead replace them with gift points which are far superior. Give gift points to the person who spends them on subscription time instead of the person who bought them.
shootinshort 23 February 2012 - 22:15
I, myself, saved gift points also, and as soon as this was announced I used them. I just don't see the point in complaining when there are other offers out there...

Oh, and I was saying what I thought, not what "Ankama wants us to think".

-Pain x
UnsteppedRhyme 23 February 2012 - 19:46

(shootinshort @ 23 February 2012 17:37) *

(UnsteppedRhyme @ 23 February 2012 16:14) *
I don't know why all these people are throwing around the word "Promotion" as if it fixes everything, or makes it cool that they're doing this.

In fact! I can't ever remember the word promotion being used ONCE when Ankama started up the GP system. If someone can link me to an article that states it was a promotion, and a bloody long promotion at that, then that would be handy.
The word promotion is used as it is what applies to this situation. If Ankama believe that Gift Points are no longer needed, then we shall move onto the . I'm not saying it fixes everything, or that it's 'cool', but we move on and adapt just as you would with any other game.

-Pain x
No. you're just saying what Ank want us to think.

A promotion is something that is specified to be for a BRIEF, or indeterminable amount of time. After the time period the product or service is removed. Now unless you can link me something from years ago, where it SPECIFICALLY said it was a promotion; don't reply with inane comments.

Fact is, many people have invested into gift points to save for something nice. Like myself, now this is worthless!
shootinshort 23 February 2012 - 17:37

(UnsteppedRhyme @ 23 February 2012 16:14) *
I don't know why all these people are throwing around the word "Promotion" as if it fixes everything, or makes it cool that they're doing this.

In fact! I can't ever remember the word promotion being used ONCE when Ankama started up the GP system. If someone can link me to an article that states it was a promotion, and a bloody long promotion at that, then that would be handy.
The word promotion is used as it is what applies to this situation. If Ankama believe that Gift Points are no longer needed, then we shall move onto the . I'm not saying it fixes everything, or that it's 'cool', but we move on and adapt just as you would with any other game.

-Pain x
UnsteppedRhyme 23 February 2012 - 16:14
I don't know why all these people are throwing around the word "Promotion" as if it fixes everything, or makes it cool that they're doing this.

In fact! I can't ever remember the word promotion being used ONCE when Ankama started up the GP system. If someone can link me to an article that states it was a promotion, and a bloody long promotion at that, then that would be handy.
shootinshort 22 February 2012 - 16:56
As some people have said, this was a promotion. They were introducing a new system into the game, and it was a huge success. Now that Ogrines have been integrated in the game for a while, the promotion is dropped as it is already popular enough.

Want to subscribe using Kamas? You can.
Want to transfer to a different server? You can.
Want a sex change? You can.
And much, much more.

I think Ogrines have given us enough without a cute pet to go with it...

-Pain x
kromx 22 February 2012 - 01:47
I've been playing this game maybe for 6 or more years (if I'm not wrong)... among all this time I've seen how ANKAMA's business are way more important than their players enjoyment... and for those that thinks this is good because it benefits ANKAMA, you all should know DOFUS is only 1 of their products but maybe the most important product they have... like a Coca Cola, and they owe it to you and me... yeah they owe it to all of us.

We are the ones that PAYS TO PLAY, that give us some respect for what we thinks about some wrong choices they do.
If they want to make the players pay more amount of cash in less time (because this is the only reason why they are doing this) they should find another way to do their business just keeping on mind that they shouldn't take off something that benefits the gamers as PLAYERS thru the time, with GP are not a malicious interest but there is 1 for them..., make the same cash in less time...

I don't understand why ANKAMA is making up this move saying things that we even know, just finding an excuse to cleaning their hand to make this move easier for them, but if you read all this comments you will see there is not a single post that speaks good about this 'move'... oh yes only the lickers that can't see beyond their nose and even know what GP are.
I got in 4 accounts 110 GP I was saving to get some items I wanted, but now I won't use them just because I don't like the other gift items they offer, and I made that bought of Ogrines/GP thinking I could get some day those gifts.

I have 9 DOFUS accounts and I always pay In DOFUS website for my subscription, just same as many users here, I wouldn't be that mad if they let us know this move with a year of advantage just to get cash to get more Ogrines/GP to get the gifts we want, or in other case just get cash to pay in normal subscription to get the gifts I wanted.

Just want to let ANKAMA developers know that I won't use my gift points because there is no reason to use them and with this I'm getting really tired to deal with that wrong decisions they always take just thinking on their own business and their race to earn more cash from all of us.
I feel cheated with this, cash wasted time wasted and GP wasted...
well done ANKAMA.
talith 17 February 2012 - 11:52

(talith @ 16 February 2012 23:06) *
for all we know they're going to recycle the godfathers fortune style and have subscription prizes work that way.
Click here

....i ****ing called it. i called it less than 12 hours before it was announced. (not the exact thing i originally meant, but hey, dont care)