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Class Improvement - Enutrof

By [Ankama]DOFUS - ADMIN - February 20, 2019, 17:58:00
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This topic is intended to gather your ideas and suggestions on improvements to the Enutrof class.
Please, keep in mind that class balancing focuses on both PvP and PvM at once.

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First Ankama intervention

The accompanying graphic allows us to view the results of this first survey for the Enutrof class.

 
  • Dommages - Damage
  • Survie (soin, protection, et tanking) - Survival (healing, protection, and tanking)
  • Amélioration - Improvements
  • Placement - Placement
  • Entrave - Debuffer
  • Vision actuelle - Current vision
  • Vision idéale - Ideal vision


In red, you can see the ideal vision you have for each class role. The blue profile presents the current vision and feeling in the game.

Like most classes, Enutrofs have two similar (but not identical) profiles – the class as it is today is broadly in line with what players expect.

The most-significant divergence concerning attacking, which you deem slightly too weak compared to what it should be, remains of little significance.

The diagram represents one of the elements taken into account upon reflection; your comments allow us to provide a more-concrete vision that is closer to the in-game reality.
We'd also like to remind you that in order to solve perception divergences, nerfing and upping aren't the only tools we have at our disposal.

You can see the class comparison on the main topic.
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Score : 440

Nerf its heals please. It shouldn't be a typical healing class. 
Also bring back the chest, that drops items!!! I don't have any idea why it was removed.

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If they bring back the chest, then that will be the identity of the class. The reason why people play Enutrof. If with bonus drops the Enutrof is equally good as other classes that can fulfill a supportive role, there's hardly any purpose to play the other class. To balance this out they'd have to turn Enutrof in a deadweight character that just brings extra drops (this was the case in Wakfu for a long time).

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Score : 773

I returned to the game on last month about one year and a half. There's a lot of variant spells that I didn't tested yet and I have no intention (like 'toolbox', I don't see the point to increase AP but apply the 'pacifist' state on an ally).

The thing that annoy me on the class (my favorite, by the way) is that we have a bunch of spells with a drawback and we don't see it on other classes.

Greed: an old classic. It's good, but it buffs the enemies to. On some PVM conditions it's viable, but not in others. On actual game state, it's necessary buff the enemies either?

Armlock: I understand the -1 PM, since the healing is too good by the AP economy. Since it has the same slot of Reducing Key it is, probably, not used on PVP, on the other hand, on MVP it has more use than reducing key.

Pandora's box: here I don't see the point. The healing isn't significant compared to armlock, both cost 2 AP and this one has a cooldown (that I understand, since it can be used to heal himself).

Also, there is some "relic of the past" on "coins throwing": it can be cast on the enutrof. It was a viable tactic when the bag switched places. Now it's completely pointless.

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Score : 2453

Change some of the variants for the earth build.
Shovel Throwing (linear) vs spade throw (huge range but 5ap)

Mound (3ap, huge range, Aoe) vs Peats Bog (LINEAR but good damage)

Prime of Life ( short range, mp red debuff) vs obsolescence (Linear once again)

If an earth Enu wants to use peats bog,he is restricted to a very linear play style
Peats bog is 4 ap, so x2 peats bog leaves him with 3 ap leftover (if the Enu is 11ap which is standard), and the only 3 ap earth spells are mound ( can't use cause peats bog variant, and obsolescence ,which makes Enu have 2 linear spells if he wants to be able to use all his ap.

I think just changing the spell variants so mound isn't a spell variant of peats bog would fix this linear problem.

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Score : 773

You have a very good point. A single element build in any class can't be too restricted.

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Score : 771

My main problem with Enutrofs is that I feel very pigeonholed when I play one. They're one of the weakest classes in kolo, but one of the stronger pvm classes. However, they're only really good in pvm as an mp rape bot. I find this playstyle no fun whatsoever for a single-accounter, and thus I often opt out of it, allowing me to enjoy myself more but making me quite weak and insignificant in exchange.

I feel something needs to be done about how polarizing this gap between pvm/pvp is to allow people who main Enus to enjoy themselves and feel significant. 

In terms of specific spell changes, here are my thoughts about some important changes:

Regenerating chest - The AI is still bugged sometimes as the chest doesn't heal sometimes when its standing right next to you. Or it opts to follow the enu around instead of healing an ally. 

Mass Clumsiness - Just....why? Why would anyone ever use this spell at 5 ap when its your only ap reduction spell? You can't build ap reduction for a single 5 ap spell with a 7 turn cd... it just makes no sense. Replace this spell entirely with something actually useful please.

Spade Kiss - the limit of 3 triggers per turn would be fine if the spell wasn't 4 range maximum. Are we supposed to walk up to the enemy just to get a few extra damage in before trying to run away? Its especially silly since fire path doesn't have mp reduction spells so you have to either use clumsiness or go multi-element, meaning the damage probably wouldn't even be worth it in the first place. I suggest making range modifiable, then it would actually be a decent alternative to the non-los Shovel Kiss. 

Toolbox -  I really hate this spell. It has very little use cases and doesn't even really synergize with the enu's own summons. Maybe change it to giving a summon + shield? That might be too strong with bag though. Idk remove it, change it, idc, just do something. 

Anyways, thanks for reading. Theres a few other changes I think are necessary,  but most of the big ones have already been mentioned by others. 

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The accompanying graphic allows us to view the results of this first survey for the Enutrof class.

 
  • Dommages - Damage
  • Survie (soin, protection, et tanking) - Survival (healing, protection, and tanking)
  • Amélioration - Improvements
  • Placement - Placement
  • Entrave - Debuffer
  • Vision actuelle - Current vision
  • Vision idéale - Ideal vision


In red, you can see the ideal vision you have for each class role. The blue profile presents the current vision and feeling in the game.

Like most classes, Enutrofs have two similar (but not identical) profiles – the class as it is today is broadly in line with what players expect.

The most-significant divergence concerning attacking, which you deem slightly too weak compared to what it should be, remains of little significance.

The diagram represents one of the elements taken into account upon reflection; your comments allow us to provide a more-concrete vision that is closer to the in-game reality.
We'd also like to remind you that in order to solve perception divergences, nerfing and upping aren't the only tools we have at our disposal.

You can see the class comparison on the main topic.
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Score : 383

Reworked Enutrof has less of an identity compared to the old version, at this point bribe should be changed into something different as its current rendition has been changed to the point of almost useless. Presently the spells rework has exchanged Enutrof's usefulness in pve and power in pvp for a wonky healing mechanic. 

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Regarding the Enutrof class, you told us that this class seemed viable and fun for most paths in PvE but much less in PvP. In addition, the most viable mode in PvE also seemed to you to be the least fun.

In the forums:
In the forum topic on Enutrofs, the community spoke a lot about the class's movement capacity and its survival capacity.

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Score : 13

Hello Ankama. I m an old school player and i have the same main character since the beggining of Dofus2.0 wich is an Enutrof. You seem to just dont care at all about enutrofs. In the variant spell update you guys created a lot of useless spells. It didnt change nothing for my chance enutrof. In koloziums it is just impossible fo an enutrof to win against osamodas or sadidas. These classes are worth for 2 players after some turns, it is just stupid and unfair... Regarding the enutrofs ,why is there a spell that increases your ap but puts you in the pacificist state ? Whats the advantage there lol ? Also, why would i use the greed spell in kolozium ? What i am trying to say is that enutrofs got left behind in these lates updates and its not worth to have an enutrof as the main character...

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Score : 45

I have been with this game for a long time.  Back when running thru the tree dungeon was a terrible task and disconnecting in the middle of a dung was the end for the entire party, but common.  I have always played enu period.  I have always liked its versatility and its ability to be creative in combat.  I hated you taking away the bags teleport and I hate that you have taken away chest's drops.  I worked many years to get chest and dopple.   Only to see my efforts in vain!  I took years to grind levels so all my spells are maxed just so I can solo mobs that many other builds find inconsequential.  Now I play out of habit more than anything, not a since of accomplishment.  That just gets taken away with the whim of someone so distant to me as a player  xxrastlinsgoldxx and now Rastlinsgold

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Score : 514

I was enutroff all my life, but after rework with chest, its not orginal anymore, Droping chest was a soul of this class.
Anyway, things that killed my enu wasnt chest, It was so bad pvp balance, and nerf thanos stuff (this item was so usefull vs osa and sadidas) .
Enu is one of the best pvm classes, but in pvp its very hard to win any battle, even if you are full geared, winning 1v1 or 3v3 with randoms is nearly impossible.
Only way to win kolo right now is to have 3v3 team with ppl who understand enu mechanics, and can make good combo with him.
I miss my enu sad


Also I dont want enu to deal super high dmg, its not his role, but when i reduce someone to 0 mp i dont want him to move, but reducing mps its kinda pointless in pvp when so many classes have dashes, or jumps, or anything that let them change position and kill, definietly mp reducing spells need root effect.
classes are available to move or dash or jump with 0mp:
Rogue, Sacri, Ougi, Eca, Feca, Xel, Cra, Iop, Osa, Masq, Elio, Hupper, Panda, Enu, Eni
Classes who cant move:
Sadida, Sram,  (Not sure about Fogger)
Fix this if im wrong

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Score : 446

I have a level 195 Enu, his only job was to collect loot with his chest. It's what he was geared to do..

Now he's like an orphaned urchin, lost, and nowhere to go sad

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Score : 16

 

RedGoldGreen|2019-03-21 22:37:37
If they bring back the chest, then that will be the identity of the class. The reason why people play Enutrof. If with bonus drops the Enutrof is equally good as other classes that can fulfill a supportive role, there's hardly any purpose to play the other class. To balance this out they'd have to turn Enutrof in a deadweight character that just brings extra drops (this was the case in Wakfu for a long time).

I don't agree, i feel like each character should have its own identity and purpose when playing pvm, for instance, cra to mp rape, enu to drop, xelor to ap rape, iop to damage, panda to tank, sac to displace, eni to heal and etc., this should be the purpose of each class, not every class doing everything. Bringing this back i feel like would make pvm way more fun, ankama are focusing way too much on pvp.
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I've started my Enutrof life in Wakfu open beta, been playing it since and so started one here in Dofus as well. The core of an Enutrof, its very soul that sold me this class was always the higher drop, the treasure hunter theme. It's a little sad to see this vanish more and more. The class started with an unique concept but it seems it became watered down to make it more "usable". Which made Enutrofs less usable in the end.
I will still play this wonderful class, will always be. But if you could find a heart and some solutions to make this a class truelly viable (and maybe what it once was), I would be very thankful Ankama.

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