If anyone out there even considers hassling Tdude over this, I will not be pleased.
Rosal, not cool. I thought we were bros.
Kwismas Island is turned off. I will ponder a proper punishment.
Well I can not speak for the people of Rosal, even though i just got back onto this sever, but how were they suppose to know it was to be closed? Maybe they thought you guys left it open to level slayhounds... Also i don't understand why all other servers has the island closed but it isnt a player problem it is a programmer problem, so yes i do think there should be a punishment for the characters who did not tell you, but how are you to know?? Are you just going to mass punish rosal server, which if you do is very unfair and unjust for the people that just entered the server."
So, since this thread has gotten out of hand, let me tie up a bunch of loose ends as someone who spent about a day talking to friends, and reading around on the issue.
1: Was there ever an official announcement that the island has been closed? : Yes, right here
2: "I did report it but didn't know I was "reporting" an abuse." There was not a single post made on here, Jol, or Impsvillage regarding the matter that Kwismas Island is open. Izmar can see tickets, I'm sure she would have already looked up too see if anyone reported it that way, and would have made mention to someone doing so, as she did during the Sakai Island saga.
3: To the people saying "The door was left open, not our fault" : Try using that in the real world. "I saw this house with it's doors wide open, so I decided to walk in and watch TV"
4: From the now 2 people I've talked with, this was most certainly known. When you tell people "Hey, make sure you close your character page" that gives off the inclination that you plan on cheating. I will say kudos to Rosal for having such an awesome community, and making sure this didn't get out because all of the top tier guilds where told to keep a close lid on it, but that doesn't make it okay to knowingly cheat.
5: So are you trying to say that since an Ankama employee did a fhuge mistake, players should take the blame instead? how very convenient : As I said earlier. YES, this bug is Ankama's fault. That DOES NOT however make it correct for people to abuse it. and for someone like you, who's trying to play the saint of Dofus so you can get your stolen gear back, this seems it's going to be a very big blow to you. You can't sit there and say "The bank's security cameras are turned off, I just happened to take the money, it's not my fault they forgot to turn the cameras on.
this pretty much sums up most of the post on this thread.
Seriously guys, where the heck is your logic?
Now then, I'm okay with debating everything here, and I'll use real world evidence to support my belief. However, if you're going to come here and start the whole "I've spent $1000 dollars in this game, I know what I'm talking about, I thought Ankama was just being nice, and over all rudeness just because you got your gear stolen and you hate Ankama, Please. Go to a different topic and fight it out there. We're tired of having you all troll and flame a topic with off topic crap that you just want to whine and rant about. We can be civil about this, we don't need to start up ranting flame wars where it just ends up with you smacking your head on the keyboard, and hitting post to whatever was typed.
I had no idea that talking to two people makes you an expert.
I talked to dozens of people on rosal today. None had ever been told to keep quiet, nor to do anything with their character pages.
This never got reported because most of us never knew there was anything TO report. Most didn't think it was a mistake made by Ankama. They thought it was just another extension. Maybe that was a bad assumption to make but it was certainly not criminal.
This glitch/loophole/bug/abuse issue is a common human nature. Players will grab a chance when an opportunity comes. We all have to admit it as a fact of life.
No amount of rationalization can justify abusing something that we all know is suppose to be close... Using ignorance as defense is not an excuse.
Everybody knows that... Most of those who tries to defend the abusers (most likely themselves) are even using alt account in this forum, this only shows that you know what you did and are afraid to show your main account to avoid investigation.
I myself reported a glitch once... I reported the dragoturkey infinite pod glitch and many players got angry for what I did... Even to this day those scornful players are trolling my post whenever they can... But you have to realize that we all have responsibility for our actions... And reporting kwismas island being open after the announced closure is one of your responsibility. Although I have to admit, it is not easy to be the "One who reported"... We all know those who reports are the ones who get scorned by other players. Even in real life those who snitch are marked. Now this could be one of the reason why nobody reported this for the past 2 months.
If this is a courthouse, and I am your defense attorney, I would advise you to plead guilty so that you can receive a lesser sanction... This is a no win situation and making a not guilty plea is just not wise. Admit to your mistake and face your sanction like a man... Everybody makes a mistake, are you man enough to admit them?
Now to those who are indeed innocent, do not be alarmed by the mob instigators, if you are indeed innocent, then stay calm, and hopefully Ankama will identify only those who indeed abused the kwismas island. No official said that everyone will be punish yet. Only those who are guilty are saying that everyone will be punished. Those who are out for blood are only asking for the blood of the guilty.
Bad things happens and well meaning players gets seduced by opportunity... It is not the end of the world.
so heres the thing i never ever read the dofus news and i had no idea it was suppose to be close, and i just found out 2 weeks ago which i thought they kept it open so players can train their slayhouds.
personally i didnt know anything about bugs and those stuff besides its ankamas fault and not our fault and what they do is just punishing players for their mistakes because they dont wanna accept that it was their mistake and it wasnt a secret cuz i could say almost 80% of the people new about it and thought the same as i did.
This is a very serious matter and I am glad someone reported. However I wish people stop thinking that everyone on rosal had a huddle about the island. No one talks on our recruitment channel. All that whole I talked to someone and they said be hush hush about it. I never once had anyone tell me such information. No one even on recruitment channel asked for people to do kwismas island its always frigost this and frigost that. So all you others that keep saying a high percentage of players knew is rubbish. If you sat at our zaaps no one even mentioned it. Those individuals who participated in the quest and dungeons after the extension should be punished. Now I just love how others from different servers attack us Rosalians like its our jobs to know what everyone on the server is doing. I say maybe 3-10% of players knew about it. That's based on a small amount cause I am on everyday and no one I know knew about it. Those who did kept it to themselves and their friends and/or guild mates. Not everyone on rosal work or conspire together.
The thing about we're suppose to report bugs I think between all the maintenance we receive they would have picked it up. We even had a roll back so again dont be pointing the fingers at the entire server cause your upset. Just read the facts: Not everyone knew including myself. You think people want to get banned on purpose. It sounds like our server is going to take a hit. If it's drastic a lot of people will be furious and I will quit boy oh boy. That's if the entire server gonna get in trouble.
i'd bet over 70% knew about it and all the people had slayhoud as well cuz what i personally thought is they kept it open to trail our slayhouds besides they never announce it while i was playing and i never waste time reading dofus news cuz what it seems like to me is that im already wasting enought time on playing game when they dun even care about their customers and wont accept the mistake that was from them!!!
i didnt waste my money and 3 years playing this game just to get punish for what i didnt even notice that was a bug or w/e it is.
so heres the thing i never ever read the dofus news and i had no idea it was suppose to be close, and i just found out 2 weeks ago which i thought they kept it open so players can train their slayhouds.
personally i didnt know anything about bugs and those stuff besides its ankamas fault and not our fault and what they do is just punishing players for their mistakes because they dont wanna accept that it was their mistake and it wasnt a secret cuz i could say almost 80% of the people new about it and thought the same as i did.
5.7 You agree not to use loopholes, bugs or any other error to obtain unfair advantages in-game. Similarly, you agree to immediately notify the Company's Support when you notice a fault or error in the game, forum or any other service.
ankama's fault or not, players have an ironclad obligation to report bugs, NOT take advantage of them for weeks. as others have said, it is likely sheer happenstance that this thread was made, alerting izmar of the bug before it had been going on for much longer. oh, also;
8. SANCTIONS 8.1 In case of violation of one or more provisions of these TOU, of the Support Charter, of the EULA, the DOFUS rules, the rules established on the forums or any other document prepared by the Company, the latter reserves the right to terminate or limit without prior notice and at its sole discretion, your use and access to the Service, your Account and all other Company websites and to sanction you in the context of the Game.
The penalties depend on the seriousness of the violation. They may include, without limitation, the following actions: The warning: The warning has no direct effect on the Account. You can continue to play without change. It is there primarily to warn you that you risk greater penalties if you continue to violate the rules of Dofus. The one (1) day ban: The one-day ban is usually used upon the first substantial infringement of the rules of Dofus. It is the first step on the Account ban scale. The three (3) day ban: The 3-day ban is usually used in cases of repeat offending. The 3-day ban will make you understand that you incur real risks by not complying with the rules of DOFUS. The seven (7) day ban: The one-week ban is the most serious sanction before the final closure of the Account. It is generally applied in cases of very serious misconduct. When an account is suspended for 7 days, you must absolutely and finally adopt impeccable behaviour under threat of being banned permanently. Definitive ban: The Account is permanently closed and you can no longer access it. This penalty is usually applied in cases of recurrence or of serious or unforgivable disregard for the rules of DOFUS.
i dun care about rule 5.7 becasue i didnt know it was a bug since that never happened and i had no idea it could be a bug beacause its their responsibility to check everything and have them under control and not to assume players that they used it as a profit.
i dun care about rule 5.7 becasue i didnt know it was a bug since that never happened and i had no idea it could be a bug beacause its their responsibility to check everything and have them under control and not to assume players that they used it as a profit.
not knowing its a bug does not remove culpability. nor does ankama have the time or resources to spend testing every minute detail of a game in constant flux for bugs. they rely on players to find the bugs they cannot. its no different than police work in society. someone robs a bank, and while escaping police they through money at people to get them in the way of police. you grab a handful of money and expect police not to at the very least ARREST you and nicely demand information on the robber? that handful of money you took wasnt yours nor abandoned property. it was stolen, and in turn, you attempted to take it and walk off with it without punishment. granted, this particular instance is more akin to embezzlement than outright robbery, but it does not invalidate the principles. unknowingly breaking a rule or not, you broke a rule. ignorance is not a defense that will protect you from any punishment that is leveled at you.
i didnt break no rules beacause i didnt know that, and i dont giva crap if izmar punish me or not cuz im alrdy wasted too much time and all they care about is their profite and none of them dun even giva crap about customers.
no offence but basicly it was their problem and their responsible for it, not the players and all of u know it and u just acting up and talking like that cuz u think ppl r liying and just wana get izmar side!!!
people make mistakes everyday and that doesnt mean they have to be punished for nothing serious specially when its not their fault!!
by the way im really concern to hear izmar answer instead of craps like no make sence examples and stuff like that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I read the first page and it all seems to be the same boring bull, just cut a month off of kwistmas for rosal next year ~ I know it lasted like 3 months on rushu so its a punishment but really not many people care about kwistmas island beyond the first week or two so the ones who were abusing it will be the ones most affected by shortening the time next year.
They ALWAYS extend these new seasonal islands when there is a time consuming reward and who is to say it wasn't just another "well here ya go have another couple months". Ask yourself how many times vulkania was extended because it was new and shiney and yet only about 50 people (realistic number considering most were the 8 accounters getting 8-16 mounts) bothered staying long enough to get the petsmount.
Long story short quit worrying about it! Even if Izmar decides to punish rosal it wont be enough to effect the general population more then slightly because it makes bad business sense to do so.
i didnt break no rules beacause i didnt know that, and i dont giva crap if izmar punish me or not cuz im alrdy wasted too much time and all they care about is their profite and none of them dun even giva crap about customers.
no offence but basicly it was their problem and their responsible for it, not the players and all of u know it and u just acting up and talking like that cuz u think ppl r liying and just wana get izmar side!!!
people make mistakes everyday and that doesnt mean they have to be punished for nothing serious specially when its not their fault!!
by the way im really concern to hear izmar answer instead of craps like no make sence examples and stuff like that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
not knowing its a bug does not remove culpability.
How the *Rhakuna's soap* do you report something you don't know is a bug?
There is a big difference between grabbing money thrown by a guy running out of a bank and walking into a bank when it is closed even though the doors are unlocked, the lights are on, there are tellers standing at the counters and there is no sign that read CLOSED.
No one *Rhakuna's soap* knew! It was not some big Rosal conspiracy as some of you paranoid idiots would claim. Most people thought it was normal. As far as any of the people I talked to knew every other server had the same thing. This was not some well kept secret on the server. Lots of people knew it was still open but just assumed it had been left open for a reason. Do you honestly believe that Tdude is the sole moral and responsible person on the entire server? He's just a new guy who asked a question because he wasn't sure what was going on. It's not like he's some big brave whistle blower like so many people are applauding for being. And I can assure you that no one I have talked to on Rosal even cares that he told. They certainly aren't looking to get revenge on him.
I am just thankful that Izmar is not as overzealous and shortsided as some of these people calling for mass banning of all who stepped foot on the island.
not knowing its a bug does not remove culpability.
How the *Oh no! Rhakuna washed my mouth with soap* do you report something you don't know?
MOD Edit: Try and keep it clean, please.
Your account shows you have been playing for 3 years. How come you didn't know that kwismas island is a seasonal island event? Where have you been this past 3 years... Everybody knows kwismas island is suppose to be open only on christmas season. How could you not know?
You even claim that Tdude is a new guy who knew nothing... and yet he is the one who reported something that he find questionable compared to you who have been playing for 3 years. How can a new guy know and you didn't?
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March 06, 2012, 07:58:59
I can certainly understand how strongly people feel about this topic but repeating the same point continuously is not the way to go about it... not to mention the lack of respect from both sides of the fence.
It seems many of you are in a hurry to reply and as you click on the "Add my reply", it seems the notice on the right hand side of your screen is completely ignored. But it's ok! I took the liberty of reminding you all of it now:
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Txt-talk will not be tolerated at all, good grammar and spelling is essential.[*]Read before posting.
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I strongly advise you all to sit tight and wait until Izmar posts about it.
Edit: I might want to remind you all of the following forum rules:
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Do not encourage the offender and do not try to reason with him.
Tdude should be the first person to get the new shield.
Yeah, he could use the new shield for the future agroe that he will be receiving. Just joking.
I have a new shield idea.
Name: EN-dangered Specie
Title: The Snitch
Description: A big round wooden shield that have a big red target bulls-eye crosshair in the middle. Makes the wearer easy to distinguish from the crowd. Given to those who do acts of great heroism. Crafted by those he snitched on.
Interesting, very interesting. I have a feeling that these hounds could have migrated to various other servers by now. Hopefully just punishment will be delivered to those at fault without the innocent of Rosal being punished in the process. I'd hate to see a 2 month long rollback that's just madness.
Interesting, very interesting. I have a feeling that these hounds could have migrated to various other servers by now. Hopefully just punishment will be delivered to those at fault without the innocent of Rosal being punished in the process. I'd hate to see a 2 month long rollback that's just madness.
Please read post number #36 and #37 before you talk about rollbacks
1: Was there ever an official announcement that the island has been closed? : Yes, right here
2: "I did report it but didn't know I was "reporting" an abuse." There was not a single post made on here, Jol, or Impsvillage regarding the matter that Kwismas Island is open. Izmar can see tickets, I'm sure she would have already looked up too see if anyone reported it that way, and would have made mention to someone doing so, as she did during the Sakai Island saga.
3: To the people saying "The door was left open, not our fault" : Try using that in the real world. "I saw this house with it's doors wide open, so I decided to walk in and watch TV"
4: From the now 2 people I've talked with, this was most certainly known. When you tell people "Hey, make sure you close your character page" that gives off the inclination that you plan on cheating. I will say kudos to Rosal for having such an awesome community, and making sure this didn't get out because all of the top tier guilds where told to keep a close lid on it, but that doesn't make it okay to knowingly cheat.
5: So are you trying to say that since an Ankama employee did a fhuge mistake, players should take the blame instead? how very convenient : As I said earlier. YES, this bug is Ankama's fault. That DOES NOT however make it correct for people to abuse it. and for someone like you, who's trying to play the saint of Dofus so you can get your stolen gear back, this seems it's going to be a very big blow to you. You can't sit there and say "The bank's security cameras are turned off, I just happened to take the money, it's not my fault they forgot to turn the cameras on.
this pretty much sums up most of the post on this thread.
Seriously guys, where the heck is your logic?
Now then, I'm okay with debating everything here, and I'll use real world evidence to support my belief. However, if you're going to come here and start the whole "I've spent $1000 dollars in this game, I know what I'm talking about, I thought Ankama was just being nice, and over all rudeness just because you got your gear stolen and you hate Ankama, Please. Go to a different topic and fight it out there. We're tired of having you all troll and flame a topic with off topic crap that you just want to whine and rant about. We can be civil about this, we don't need to start up ranting flame wars where it just ends up with you smacking your head on the keyboard, and hitting post to whatever was typed.
I talked to dozens of people on rosal today. None had ever been told to keep quiet, nor to do anything with their character pages.
This never got reported because most of us never knew there was anything TO report. Most didn't think it was a mistake made by Ankama. They thought it was just another extension. Maybe that was a bad assumption to make but it was certainly not criminal.
No amount of rationalization can justify abusing something that we all know is suppose to be close... Using ignorance as defense is not an excuse.
Everybody knows that... Most of those who tries to defend the abusers (most likely themselves) are even using alt account in this forum, this only shows that you know what you did and are afraid to show your main account to avoid investigation.
I myself reported a glitch once... I reported the dragoturkey infinite pod glitch and many players got angry for what I did... Even to this day those scornful players are trolling my post whenever they can... But you have to realize that we all have responsibility for our actions... And reporting kwismas island being open after the announced closure is one of your responsibility. Although I have to admit, it is not easy to be the "One who reported"... We all know those who reports are the ones who get scorned by other players. Even in real life those who snitch are marked. Now this could be one of the reason why nobody reported this for the past 2 months.
If this is a courthouse, and I am your defense attorney, I would advise you to plead guilty so that you can receive a lesser sanction... This is a no win situation and making a not guilty plea is just not wise. Admit to your mistake and face your sanction like a man... Everybody makes a mistake, are you man enough to admit them?
Now to those who are indeed innocent, do not be alarmed by the mob instigators, if you are indeed innocent, then stay calm, and hopefully Ankama will identify only those who indeed abused the kwismas island. No official said that everyone will be punish yet. Only those who are guilty are saying that everyone will be punished. Those who are out for blood are only asking for the blood of the guilty.
Bad things happens and well meaning players gets seduced by opportunity... It is not the end of the world.
personally i didnt know anything about bugs and those stuff besides its ankamas fault and not our fault and what they do is just punishing players for their mistakes because they dont wanna accept that it was their mistake and it wasnt a secret cuz i could say almost 80% of the people new about it and thought the same as i did.
The thing about we're suppose to report bugs I think between all the maintenance we receive they would have picked it up. We even had a roll back so again dont be pointing the fingers at the entire server cause your upset. Just read the facts: Not everyone knew including myself. You think people want to get banned on purpose. It sounds like our server is going to take a hit. If it's drastic a lot of people will be furious and I will quit boy oh boy. That's if the entire server gonna get in trouble.
i didnt waste my money and 3 years playing this game just to get punish for what i didnt even notice that was a bug or w/e it is.
ankama's fault or not, players have an ironclad obligation to report bugs, NOT take advantage of them for weeks. as others have said, it is likely sheer happenstance that this thread was made, alerting izmar of the bug before it had been going on for much longer. oh, also;
8. SANCTIONS 8.1 In case of violation of one or more provisions of these TOU, of the Support Charter, of the EULA, the DOFUS rules, the rules established on the forums or any other document prepared by the Company, the latter reserves the right to terminate or limit without prior notice and at its sole discretion, your use and access to the Service, your Account and all other Company websites and to sanction you in the context of the Game.
The penalties depend on the seriousness of the violation. They may include, without limitation, the following actions: The warning: The warning has no direct effect on the Account. You can continue to play without change. It is there primarily to warn you that you risk greater penalties if you continue to violate the rules of Dofus. The one (1) day ban: The one-day ban is usually used upon the first substantial infringement of the rules of Dofus. It is the first step on the Account ban scale. The three (3) day ban: The 3-day ban is usually used in cases of repeat offending. The 3-day ban will make you understand that you incur real risks by not complying with the rules of DOFUS. The seven (7) day ban: The one-week ban is the most serious sanction before the final closure of the Account. It is generally applied in cases of very serious misconduct. When an account is suspended for 7 days, you must absolutely and finally adopt impeccable behaviour under threat of being banned permanently. Definitive ban: The Account is permanently closed and you can no longer access it. This penalty is usually applied in cases of recurrence or of serious or unforgivable disregard for the rules of DOFUS.
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no offence but basicly it was their problem and their responsible for it, not the players and all of u know it and u just acting up and talking like that cuz u think ppl r liying and just wana get izmar side!!!
people make mistakes everyday and that doesnt mean they have to be punished for nothing serious specially when its not their fault!!
by the way im really concern to hear izmar answer instead of craps like no make sence examples and stuff like that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They ALWAYS extend these new seasonal islands when there is a time consuming reward and who is to say it wasn't just another "well here ya go have another couple months". Ask yourself how many times vulkania was extended because it was new and shiney and yet only about 50 people (realistic number considering most were the 8 accounters getting 8-16 mounts) bothered staying long enough to get the petsmount.
Long story short quit worrying about it! Even if Izmar decides to punish rosal it wont be enough to effect the general population more then slightly because it makes bad business sense to do so.
Time to go off topic for a moment,
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iRmpNY4H0I
Back on topic now.
How the *Rhakuna's soap* do you report something you don't know is a bug?
There is a big difference between grabbing money thrown by a guy running out of a bank and walking into a bank when it is closed even though the doors are unlocked, the lights are on, there are tellers standing at the counters and there is no sign that read CLOSED.
No one *Rhakuna's soap* knew! It was not some big Rosal conspiracy as some of you paranoid idiots would claim. Most people thought it was normal. As far as any of the people I talked to knew every other server had the same thing. This was not some well kept secret on the server. Lots of people knew it was still open but just assumed it had been left open for a reason. Do you honestly believe that Tdude is the sole moral and responsible person on the entire server? He's just a new guy who asked a question because he wasn't sure what was going on. It's not like he's some big brave whistle blower like so many people are applauding for being. And I can assure you that no one I have talked to on Rosal even cares that he told. They certainly aren't looking to get revenge on him.
I am just thankful that Izmar is not as overzealous and shortsided as some of these people calling for mass banning of all who stepped foot on the island.
MOD Edit: Keep it clean, please.
You even claim that Tdude is a new guy who knew nothing... and yet he is the one who reported something that he find questionable compared to you who have been playing for 3 years. How can a new guy know and you didn't?
It seems many of you are in a hurry to reply and as you click on the "Add my reply", it seems the notice on the right hand side of your screen is completely ignored. But it's ok! I took the liberty of reminding you all of it now:
[*]Write correctly.
Txt-talk will not be tolerated at all, good grammar and spelling is essential.[*]Read before posting.
Lots of people use this forum, please be aware of what other users have posted.[*]Show respect for other members.
Insults, provocation, flaming and any lack of respect will be sanctioned.
This forum is governed by rules.
These rules are very important and guarantee a pleasant environment for our user to post in, and are also there to help improve the readability of the forum. When you take part in a discussion on this forum, you agree to abide by these rules.
If you do not respect the rules, we will apply sanctions, either on the forum or directly on your Ankama account.
I strongly advise you all to sit tight and wait until Izmar posts about it.
Edit: I might want to remind you all of the following forum rules:
Do not answer people who do not respect these rules but try contacting a moderator or an administrator. (You can use the Report button to easily draw attention to a post that breaks the rules)
Do not encourage the offender and do not try to reason with him.
I have a new shield idea.
Name: EN-dangered Specie
Title: The Snitch
Description: A big round wooden shield that have a big red target bulls-eye crosshair in the middle. Makes the wearer easy to distinguish from the crowd. Given to those who do acts of great heroism. Crafted by those he snitched on.