AIRDRAGON#2797
- FORMER SUBSCRIBER -
December 23, 2018, 18:06:55
@profusonice @gunnerwolfang
Both of you need to calm it down, just agree to disagree and leave it at that.
Profusonice your language is inappropriate! No need to get so heated.
Gunnerwolfang accusing someone or pointing out an issue are two very different things.
Accusation without causation is slander and is against ToS. ( And no just because someone bought 15 mystery boxes doesnt = causation.)
I'm not saying that he is a gambling addict. I even stated that he "might not be an addict yet". All I am saying is that his behavior is very similar to the case study in the lootbox controversy. How game company manipulate players who previously do not spend money to buy 10+ lootbox to suddenly compulsively buy 10+ lootbox. Those manipulated players felt the "high" feeling of euphoria, which @profusonice have demonstrated in this thread. I am not calling him an addict, I am merely informing him that he demonstrated what was studied by expert and psychologist. I even posted multiple links pertaining to those studies which prompted countries like Belgium to stop and prosecute games with gambling lootbox.
So stop accusing me of accusing someone without causation because I did provide plenty of supporting links for reference.
But yeah, I guess it is pointless to argue endlessly on lootbox gambling so I guess I will just agree to disagree. He don't think that he was a victim of the lootbox gambling controversy, I think differently. I will leave it at that.
-Profus-#9858
- FORMER SUBSCRIBER -
December 24, 2018, 05:50:38
Gunner stop lying.
You accused me, of being one of those manipulated victims, and stated, that i didn't even know about it.
Accusing someone or pointing out an issue, are two very different things.
You didn't just, merely point out argumets, no - you took those arguments, and made an early call - on someone you dont really know. That's generalizing.
Those 20 dollars is probably the most i've spent on gambling all year.
You might know a lot about gambling - but you dont know much about me.
I wasn't manipulated in any way - i got exactly what i wanted to buy - 15 Mysteryboxes.
I didn't buy 15, just to get 1 colourable Prez.
If i had gotten "nothing" but potions, and candies, it would've been all fine by me.
It's like you watched me drink 15 beers, on a yearly basis - and now you're calling me an alcoholic ^^' Wtf
-Profus-#9858
- FORMER SUBSCRIBER -
December 24, 2018, 07:08:38
How do you define that as proof for anything?
- If there has been any Mysteryboxes for sale this year, prior to this promo - i guess i missed out.
Whether this is the first time or not, doesn't really matter.
I wasn't manipulated in any way - i got exactly what i wanted to buy - 15 Mysteryboxes.
I didn't buy 15, just to get 1 colourable Prez.
If i had gotten "nothing" but potions, and candies, it would've been all fine by me.
I am not contesting that you got what you want, I am merely stating that that is exactly what the manipulative lootbox gambling controversy do to their victim according to those studies that I linked.
I guess all players want to pay in order to gamble.
That is exactly what Ankama want and that is exactly what you did. They made that lootbox to manipulate players who wants to buy them and gamble. Would you buy them if there is no chance of getting cool pets (all it contains are potions and candies). Call me whatever you want but "I don't think so".
-Profus-#9858
- FORMER SUBSCRIBER -
December 24, 2018, 08:02:17
I sure did.
That's exactly, what both me and Ankama wanted.
I'm well aware, that's why they made them - but that doesn't, necessarily mean, that I was one of those, being manipulated into buying 1 (or 15 for that matter)
I did exactly what i wanted to do
and yes - i would still have bought them if they didn't contain any cool pets
Maybe not for 1500 ogrines, but yes.
Like i said, if i had gotten "nothing" but potions and candies, it would've been all fine by me.
I actually got a whole lot more - than i expected to get.
You know what you are getting. That is not manipulation. And that is not paying with real money.
Yes, that is exactly what the gambling lootbox victim felt. They had fun gambling. Lootbox manipulate players to pay for a chance to gamble. They use that euphoric feeling of fun to make you buy a gambling lootbox.
"They’re slot machines in everything but name, meticulously crafted to encourage player spending and keep them on the hook.
People don’t like to admit they’re able to be manipulated because it destroys our idealized conceptualization of free will, which is why people are loathe to support rules to limit this kind of thing.
Loot boxes are the weaponized endgame for many of the same psychological reasons people like to play video games in the first place, plus as many more as developers can figure out."
I guess some people would rather eat turd to prove that they were not manipulated to buy turd.
-Profus-#9858
- FORMER SUBSCRIBER -
December 24, 2018, 08:30:30
Then i guess those victims and I, have something in common.
That still wont define me as one.
That still doesn't mean, that I was manipulated, into buying anything.
I'm well aware how lootbox' can, manipulate players.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gunnerwolfang - Former subscriber - Today - 08:19:29 Try reading this and see if the shoe fits. https://kotaku.com/loot-boxes-are-designed-to-exploit-us-1819457592
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm sure the shoe fits, but that doesn't make it my shoe.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gunnerwolfang - Former subscriber - Today - 08:19:29 'People don’t like to admit they’re able to be manipulated because it destroys our idealized conceptualization of free will, which is why people are loathe to support rules to limit this kind of thing.'
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not 'people' - stop generalizing.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gunnerwolfang - Former subscriber - Today - 08:19:29 I guess some people would rather eat turd to prove that they were not manipulated to buy turd.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm guess some people would rather eat turd, than admitting they're wrong, and made an early call ^^'
Both of you need to calm it down, just agree to disagree and leave it at that.
Profusonice your language is inappropriate! No need to get so heated.
Gunnerwolfang accusing someone or pointing out an issue are two very different things.
Accusation without causation is slander and is against ToS. ( And no just because someone bought 15 mystery boxes doesnt = causation.)
So stop accusing me of accusing someone without causation because I did provide plenty of supporting links for reference.
But yeah, I guess it is pointless to argue endlessly on lootbox gambling so I guess I will just agree to disagree. He don't think that he was a victim of the lootbox gambling controversy, I think differently. I will leave it at that.
Yeah, you was definitely manipulated by the lootbox gambling into buying 15 lootbox? So where did I say that you is a gambling addict?
Do you want proof that you were manipulated into buying 15 lootbox? Well you posted that you did and you didn't buy 15 lootbox prior to this promo.
- If there has been any Mysteryboxes for sale this year, prior to this promo - i guess i missed out.
Whether this is the first time or not, doesn't really matter.
I wasn't manipulated in any way - i got exactly what i wanted to buy - 15 Mysteryboxes.
I didn't buy 15, just to get 1 colourable Prez.
If i had gotten "nothing" but potions, and candies, it would've been all fine by me.