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My thoughts and review on Incarnations, also me gloating

By CoolRay#6774 - SUBSCRIBER - March 07, 2023, 16:38:33
I love the idea behind incarnations. But I also understand why Ankama stopped making them. They added way too much complexity to a game that was also increasing in complexity at an exponential rate. That, and also a lot of the incarnations are just straight up trash. Why should I use the Archer Bandit incarnation when I could just make a Cra?

Because of that Incarnations just fell by the wayside, a little relic of old Dofus forgotten.

Until today when Ankama turned them into sidekicks. 

I love this idea. I think it is a great addition to the game, and I am definitely not biased on this because I suggested this exact thing 4 years ago! (Ankama can I get some free incarnations for the idea?)

This of course is in a vacuum, because there are some factors, like numbers, that could make this turn out awful. For example, if some of the incarnation turned sidekicks actually have really low numbers so it turns out they are completely useless. But I trust Ankama won't let this happen, especially to my boi Grouillot the Gargoyl or Manitou Zoth.

Fun fact: I'm a Dofus Premium member, so I can totally get Manitou Zoth legitimately... but haven't because I can't solo it.

Another fun fact: Ankama can I get another Hax Or Set? 

Another another fun fact: Why doesnt my Dofus premium badge show up on the forums anymore? You haven't forgotten me have you!? Ahaha

Conclusion:

Home run for Ankama for this amazing idea. Huge points for making incarnations useful again, and even more points, hopefully, that they fix the quest fights that essentially made the incarnations necessary due to them breaking the fight.
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Congratulation on getting exactly what you wanted. I kinda have the same suggestion of turning incarnation into sidekick but it was a completely different system that retains the incarnation system that just provide a optional way of turning them into sidekick. .
https://www.dofus.com/en/forum/8-suggestion-box/316172-symbiote-incarnation-sidekick-system-i-sy
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I just hope this won't turn into a payed boosters' game, like wakfu: one pays a/some  "hero"/ sidekick/ s / w.e., and can get rich and famous i.g.  in no time, with half the investment needed compared to those who choose to use chars, to keep playing "the classical way" = time invested into leveling and gearing them + kamas too and/ or resources...


 

Adding a reply to either thread or post bring result here, on this post ...
I'm guessing, lil forum bug?!
Anyway :
CoolRay#6774|2023-03-23 00:01:06
Bohemia surely you understand that what Gunner means is that a person who is paying to have a team of 4 characters is inherently stronger than a person who is only paying for their one character. In a manner of speaking, he is correct: Multiaccounting is pay to win.


 
Booo ! That aint quiteeee valid! : - P
One can always pay a sub with ogrine purchased for kamas, in ogrine/kamas exchange market ... 

And even if one pays for 1, one pays for 4 or 8 or 20 with irl cash, the challenge is definitely harder to level up and gear extra chars, than to just purchase now or in the future fancy sidekicks that require NO time investment in leveling, farming mats, gearing, etc etc etc ...

Or did you think you get auto levels and gear for newly subbed accounts, if you already have one/ some? x-D

 
Gunnerwolfang#2406|2023-03-23 13:44:22
Definitely. . Sidekick system is not as pay to win as the elephant in the room. Yes, you need to level and gear them, but it is still paying multiple account to win more drops, more exp, more power and access to more contents. It is so much easier to level and gear a 4-account team than it is to level and gear 1account.

Sidekick system, in a way, decreases the gap between solo-accounter and those who can pay for multiple account, so in that regard it is actually anti-pay2win or, if sidekick become as rewarding as another character, it will be pay less to win.




Waaaa!
Don't tell me now that for a 2 k Ogrine sidekick, or for a random one you get at a random few achiev points, you sir (or maa'm ?; I do not know your gender; but nor am I asking it, dw) . you would like more drops and xp and power and access to achiev points?
And it shows up you haven't played in quite sometime, if you think newly freshly came out items, and their respective exoes, come cheap, my dear.
Also, you lost me at the "power" thinggie, I didn't know you can get that as a result of a fight? Or that if I got more chars/ accs, they get more xp e.a. ? Each account gets its own xp (its respective char). As for power ... is something oa char gets from gear, spells in fight, or candy (not sure about last one tho).
And you might get more drops in a fight if you engage the fight with more characters; but not rares or ultra rare ones; with a bit of luck and good chals, you might, maybe, on a 8 man 200+ lev team on 300 or + idols, in gob dung, and get multiple gob sets, eventually; but you don't get ochre or vulbis on 8 chars on same amount of time or less as for 1 single char ...If you do believe so, then, my friend, you're very optimistic.



 
CoolRay#6774|2023-03-23 18:25:56
Did you forget there are sidekicks that can be earned in game for free?

"earned" aint equal to "free". : - )
You need to quest for them.

So can be considered subbing a team of countless accs/ chars: you "earn" kamas, buy ogrine, sub; so it is "free".  : - )
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That won't happen as it stands now. Sidekicks don't get drops, they reduce xp given, etc.
 
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bohemia#2044|2023-03-21 09:07:39

And even if one pays for 1, one pays for 4 or 8 or 20 with irl cash, the challenge is definitely harder to level up and gear extra chars, than to just purchase now or in the future fancy sidekicks that require NO time investment in leveling, farming mats, gearing, etc etc etc ...

Or did you think you get auto levels and gear for newly subbed accounts, if you already have one/ some? x-D


You don't have to fully gear all 4 account. Even if you just gear one main account (the 3 other alt account can just have unmaged gears), you inherently have an advantage over someone who only have 1 account or someone who uses a sidekick, because 4 account can also use 4x sidekick.

The real pay to win "elephant in the room" is multi-accounting. 

 
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