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The new pvp restrictions

By kamrakara#2404 - SUBSCRIBER - April 05, 2023, 10:22:51
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The new pvp restrictions are extremely impactful towards all players who share a household.
Has Ankama considered the damage this would do to siblings or spouses that share a household? 

The community has been growing frustrated of the game for a while now which has lead to some losses, dropping this lovely bomb of restrictions on the remaining loyal players is extremely uncalled for. 

I get the idea behind going after multiloggers but there must be some exceptions made. 

We already provide ankama with identification documents in order to be let in the mono servers, could we somehow come up with a solution to this? 
Could a white list be made on order to avoid further loss of players? 

Unbelievable situation... 
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Hello,

These restrictions were put in place to avoid multiaccount abuses in PvP modes and have been like this for a long time, but were tightened with the release of Update 2.67.

The IP restriction, however, was always meant to be in place, so a unique IP address was always meant to be necessary to participate in these PvP modes. Due to an error, that was not the case previously, but the update has restored this restriction as intended.

I understand that this situation is frustrating for many of you who share a household with other DOFUS players and play the game honestly. I will make sure to escalate your feedback to the game team.

Thank you for your understanding and I wish you a great day.
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Hello,

These restrictions were put in place to avoid multiaccount abuses in PvP modes and have been like this for a long time, but were tightened with the release of Update 2.67.

The IP restriction, however, was always meant to be in place, so a unique IP address was always meant to be necessary to participate in these PvP modes. Due to an error, that was not the case previously, but the update has restored this restriction as intended.

I understand that this situation is frustrating for many of you who share a household with other DOFUS players and play the game honestly. I will make sure to escalate your feedback to the game team.

Thank you for your understanding and I wish you a great day.
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If multiple people in the household want to pvp could they not alternate who joins a fight at any given time?
1 person pvp's whilst the other does something else, then when the fight is over its the next persons turn?
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While this is a possibility for sure, as someone who always plays together in the weekends, doing pvp events with say the guild is a very fun activity to partake in together. Not being able to pvp at the same time gives the feeling of being left out of this fun so whilst it is a solution to part of the problem, the underlying problem remains unsolved
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Angelsnow#6707|2023-04-17 17:37:28
If multiple people in the household want to pvp could they not alternate who joins a fight at any given time?
1 person pvp's whilst the other does something else, then when the fight is over its the next persons turn?

What a dumb suggestion. You're basically saying why don't people in the same household just not play together when the whole issue people are complaining about is not being able to play together.
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Sorry but from my perspective it's NOT that people are complaining they can't play together, but that they can't PvP together.
PvP isn't the b all and end all of the game, there is a whole host of other activities players can do with "the same household" on the multi-account server.
There is nothing stopping them taking turns to PvP on a multi-acc server, it'll just need a bit of patience and a slightly different PvP play style.


And as Dragosani#5287 pointed out -
how can Ankama positively absolutely distinguish between relatives on the same IP address wanting to play together
and
someone hiding behind saying "family wants to play together" (because anyone could use another household member's ID, email and phone number to create alts) in order to circumnavigate the restrictions surrounding PvP aka Kolossium, which is what people are sore about.

 
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So how do the game devs know they are separate players?

It could very easily be one person with multiple accounts but wants to hide behind "family".

I'm not saying you are, but the game itself cannot differentiate between them so the ban makes absolute sense.
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Dragosani#5287|2023-04-18 07:39:01
So how do the game devs know they are separate players?

It could very easily be one person with multiple accounts but wants to hide behind "family".

I'm not saying you are, but the game itself cannot differentiate between them so the ban makes absolute sense.

Unique phone number, unique email, photo ID, different computers etc.

The restrictions don't make sense. Have you seen one post on the forums saying good job Ankama, amazing effort, well done? no. I've seen countless posts/complaints about the changes they've made with 1000's of comments and 10000's of views.
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All very easy to circumvent.

As for posts, all those will be from players with multiple accounts from the same IP and not too many will be in the position you say you're in. Most will have been taking advantage of the lax rules.

It might be impacting your game, but the tightening of the rules is down to the players.
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Angelsnow#6707|2023-04-18 12:54:10
Sorry but from my perspective it's NOT that people are complaining they can't play together, but that they can't PvP together.
PvP isn't the b all and end all of the game, there is a whole host of other activities players can do with "the same household" on the multi-account server.
There is nothing stopping them taking turns to PvP on a multi-acc server, it'll just need a bit of patience and a slightly different PvP play style.


And as Dragosani#5287 pointed out -
how can Ankama positively absolutely distinguish between relatives on the same IP address wanting to play together
and
someone hiding behind saying "family wants to play together" (because anyone could use another household member's ID, email and phone number to create alts) in order to circumnavigate the restrictions surrounding PvP aka Kolossium, which is what people are sore about.

 

While I fully respect your viewpoint on this situation I feel like you have a misunderstanding of the situation.

My girlfriend and I (I introduced her to the game) have been playing Dofus together for a very long time now, we play on our own accounts and fully comply with the TOU Dofus has provided. We both live in different cities but see each other every weekend. We do PvE activities like questing, dungeons etc. but also like to feel the waters of AvA activities or the occasional 3v3 match. These new restrictions make it feel like we are being punished for something we did not do and while there are alternatives to PvP, like the kolosseum you suggested, they are just not the same (one is not a replacement for the other). 3v3 allows you to play in a very competitive environment where in a premade setting you often face 1 person playing on 3 accounts, even when playing with 2 other people. The setting you find in AvA (be it during KOTH or 5v5's) is completely different, for me 5v5 is a way to have fun with guildmates / friends while having a fun chat about life and discussing strategy. Like I posted earlier, swapping around where 1 person plays one match and the other plays the other match is possible, yes, but makes it feel like you are restricted from participating in this activity.

Don't take this message in any hostile way eighter, I am just trying to shed some light on how I and my girlfriend experience these new restrictions and explain why this is more than just generic complaining from people who (even if just occasionally) live together. Try to place yourself in someone else's shoes before criticizing their way of thinking.

 
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"3v3 allows you to play in a very competitive environment where in a premade setting you often face 1 person playing on 3 accounts"
- That right there is exactly why the restrictions have been put in place and then tightened and then tightened some more.

If you really want to PvP with your girlfriend when she visits, one of you will have to use an alternative method of wifi/internet access possibly by tethering the pc/laptop to a phone's internet or with a dongle internet service for the PvP matches.
It is what it is and Ankama have not shown any interest in changing it.

"Try to place yourself in someone else's shoes before criticizing their way of thinking."
- Well actually there were 3, then 4 people in my household, myself, my 2 sons and later my daughter-in-law all trying to play Dofus at the same time on the same ISP.
Whilst I dont partake in PvP, the others did, and they simply came to realise that the restrictions put in place by Ankama to stop people abusing multi-accounting in PvP was here to stay and used the alternatives that I've already suggested.
Now there is just myself and 1 of my sons who play in this household and my other son and his wife in theirs, they still use the same alternative match PvP method.
 
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Also worth noting that the server is currently plagued with some people who multi-acc in Perc/Prism/KOTH on 5+ accounts. They are able to avoid the new restrictions via the use of VM/VPN's and remain unsanctioned for doing so. This change did nothing to prevent those who are breaking the TOS, it's simply harming the honest players.
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That's quite a vaaaaaaaaalid point of view.

Since some throw stones, let's let all throw stones?
That could be an idea...
...At least, they can defend selves (ig).
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I believe it's reasonable to ask for up to 2 players to be able to participate as long as they have provided the single server documents requirement. 

This will let players enjoy all content together. 

Bots can be found by logs, they farm all day move together etc. 

And let's be real if they wanted to fight the bots you would not be messaged anytime you enter bonta/brak/astrub by the SAME bot not for months 

They are actively killing the game imo.

And to whoever said this is an issue for multiloggers only or double household players.

That is untrue

I am not playing currently due to ALL of my friends quitting, some of them live together. 

This is just unjust. If I were ankama I'd revert the whole last patch, give out 3 months sub as apology and pretend it never happened. 

We have to understand that the game has a tight uninviting community, in a game that is more complex than your average mmo. 

Understanding that we have a small community, every player and every household counts. The forums have gone ballistic in the past month or more. 

Ankama should take actions, or rather stop taking actions and killing the game. 
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roeltjelala#5114|2023-04-24 19:48:42
  • "if you really want to PvP with your girlfriend when she visits, one of you will have to use an alternative method of wifi/internet access possibly by tethering the pc/laptop to a phone's internet or with a dongle internet service for the PvP matches."
This is exactly the kind of behavior that would be against the rules that have been set in place, meanwhile, you show exactly how easy it is for people that show little care for the rules to avoid these new restrictions.
Im sure Ankama can verify that 2 accounts are completely separate, owned by completely separate people, at separate addresses, on separate ISP's if they wanted to. Using this form of ID verification would/could put a stop to those abusing the systems/game.

  • "Whilst I dont partake in PvP, the others did, and they simply came to realise that the restrictions put in place by Ankama to stop people abusing multi-accounting in PvP was here to stay and used the alternatives that I've already suggested."
Your family members who use these alternative methods are probably breaking the rules now instead of abiding by them, as good-willed and understanding as they probably are. Think of it like this: If using a hot spot on your phone or dongle (like you suggested) is allowed to avoid the new rules then that would completely defeat the purpose of the new rules, to begin with.
Actually, no. We all play on TalKasha, which is the multi-accounting server that Echo was merged in to. No one PvP's at the same time, they alternate who plays a PVP match when they do want to PvP, the other goes off and does something whilst the other is in PvP.  They still get to enjoy PvP on rotation as an additional side part of the whole purpose of the game which is questing, dungeons etc together.  If they want to PvP a game together they go do it on another game where the whole premise of that game is PvP and nothing else.

And while I wish to stay away from topics others discuss (Being that the multi-logging problem has not been solved) I would say there is a lot of "collateral damage" to people who only have the desire to play together while you yourself.

Then lastly:
  • Now there is just myself and 1 of my sons who play in this household and my other son and his wife in theirs, they still use the same alternative match PvP method.
Again this is a possibility but how do they experience it (I can't make that call for anyone else but I can imagine it is anything but ideal); Being able to do something completely different from it being a viable and engaging alternative. Basically the core part of my previous argument which you might have missed while reading.
See previous comment.
PvP isnt the b all and end all of, nor the main point of the game. There are hundreds of other things people can do with their friends/loved ones together in the game on a server that allows them to be together (otherwise whats the point of having a multi-account server) and by simply sharing the PvP experience alternatively in a healthy manner that doesnt go against Ankama's ToS/rules means they get to play the game without any issues. If youre both sitting next to each other IRL do you not in part experience a PvP match together, just not in the match together? Isnt the whole point of PvP that you play against and with unknowns?
And what about the mono-account servers, players on them manage PvP just fine without breaking the rules, so why should the multi-account server be any different?
The way I see it is one reason people have their panties in a bunch over the PvP restrictions means they cant manipulate the fights to their advantage and crawl up the ladder and gain rewards that a single person can do just as well but with a bit more effort invested.

 
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