Shovel of Judgement

By Leekichu#3585 - FORMER SUBSCRIBER - November 26, 2017, 18:59:31

So I recently noticed that Shovel of Judgement got its damage buffed as well as its MP removal increased from 2 to 3. I'm sure this was in response to removing all of enutrof's mp removal by gutting clumsiness. I understand the logic that you don't want to give us the ability to take so much mp away at the cost of just 1 AP. However, I feel this is a very bad design choice.

If update went live in its current state, all enus would feel pigeonholed into playing chance. As an intelligence enu the most I can reduce an enemies MP by is 2. With over 100 MP removal I still often don't remove the full amount with clumsiness and to have the effectiveness of my character be determined by rng doesn't make sense to the design of the class. You either spend 1 AP to remove 0 MP, 1 MP, or 2MP. Honestly, only the last of those options sounds worth the AP cost to me seeing as reducing a single MP often won't make much of a difference.

I personally think the other builds should get better debuffs (at least agility got -AP), or you should just make clumsiness 2 AP reduce 3, or 1 AP reduce 2 (undodgeable). This way enutrofs will not have to sacrifice variety for the sake of their enutrofness. biggrin

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Lynn-Reiginleif#2970 - FORMER SUBSCRIBER - November 26, 2017, 20:47:59

You realize clumsiness went back to not being linear, yes? It just got the MP steal reduced to 2 instead of 3.

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Leekichu#3585 - FORMER SUBSCRIBER - November 26, 2017, 21:28:49

Yeah I'm aware. I'm saying that if thats the only mp reducing spell (or just strong debuff in general) for 50% of the elements, then why would I ever pick those elements if I chose Enu to be a debuffer? Especially when 2 MP steal is never a guarantee

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Lynn-Reiginleif#2970 - FORMER SUBSCRIBER - November 26, 2017, 21:44:50

You also don't need to be chance based to use judgment. You can always use it, no matter your build. Chance merely gets more damage on it, which isn't a huge priority for enus. Int even offers a lot more utility than chance, even before the update. And I don't think anyone ever used judgment for it's damage, so...I really don't see your point.

To put it this way, chance enus still use ghostly shovel. Do they use it for damage? Nope. They use it for 1 turn effect removal. Similarly, all iop builds use divine sword, not due to it's damage, but due to it's buff. Just because judgment has a useful effect doesn't make cha automatically better.

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Leekichu#3585 - FORMER SUBSCRIBER - November 26, 2017, 22:51:40

The difference however is that ghostly shovel is far more situational. Unbewitching often has a negative effect for your team (removing panda vuln for instance) and thus you have to be very weary when using it. MP removal on the other hand is ALWAYS useful, (excluding a few super weird bosses where removing mp is bad).

Divine sword also has a different use. Iops use it when they can't reach any enemies or to prepare before their charge, not because its a strong spell, but because they can't do anything else with their ap unless they actually engage in combat.

So yes, I think chance will be stronger because its far more reliable. I agree intel has more utility (which is why I am intel on Echo), but plenty of other classes can use no los attacks and the extra damage to summons is mainly only useful for pvp. I chose intel enu because it gave me that versatility in conjunction with the strong MP removal, but with that being severely weakened, whats the point of picking intelligence over chance or just a different class entirely?

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Lynn-Reiginleif#2970 - FORMER SUBSCRIBER - November 27, 2017, 01:09:04

More situational, maybe, but so is needing to take 3 MP more. Most of the time I can get away with just clumsiness, and wouldn't spend the AP on judgment even if I was chance.

Oooor iops can just jump and use cut/sword of iop. They do have ranged options. And divine isn't used JUST when the iop can't reach an enemy. It has a lot more applicability than that.

I don't think chance is stronger, actually. I believe agility is the better build now, believe it or not, as the spells have better side effects in general, better damage, and are overall better and more interesting to play around with. Chance got basically no love with the variants, and just the MP steal isn't enough to convince me, as I can shift to do that anyway. Remember, a lot of the time, enus sacrifice damage for wisdom. That means the damage is merely secondary, an afterthought. I'd rather have the dodge agility provides, as well as all the better spells it has.

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Leekichu#3585 - FORMER SUBSCRIBER - November 27, 2017, 02:36:29

I definitely agree with you that agility will probably be the way to go. Even if it isn't the best, it just seems the most interesting. I just have a problem with Ankama addressing our cries to not completely destroy clumsiness, by moving the mp removal, what was previously central to an enu, to a single element. It's pretty much saying "look we didn't really change your class so you don't deserve a class change potion. All you have to do is restat to chance and you can play your character the same way you did before"

Pretty shady. <_

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