Which Class Needs the Most Improvement?

Slares|2011-04-19 09:58:10

Feca.
I stopped playing at 154 lvl cuz i can do nothing. Well... almost.

I wouldn't mind the power lapse if there was an intelligence-based staff that I could use before Thrusty Staff. It goes from Kyrst-o-ball to Thrusty... not very useful as a pure intelligence build.

Personally, I feel Fecas need a good buff.

I used Int maged Tot Staff. with nice +dmg set.

Propably Rogues bombs can be a litte better. EF: 2 cast per turn. And thats all!

Slares|2011-05-01 14:12:24

Propably Rogues bombs can be a litte better. EF: 2 cast per turn. And thats all!

The only problem I can see with that is making a wall in one turn. And with enough AP a rogue could then Bomb, Bomb, Detonate for a nice combo. But also it would be nice if you could make two bombs a turn.

Every one is saying cra but cra str int what ever is steal a beast class lvl 6 retreat arrow pushs 4 away and i speak from a lvl 103 stand point the only problem i really see with a cra is that sram go invisible we are done for XD so i would say bats eye also makes invisible players visible and maybe lashing arrow puts a person in grav state for 1 turn or paralizing aarow puts in grav state for 1 turn then we cra will be more balanced

As i was reading first 5 forum pages i noticed everyone wants cra to get better things but let's see it from other hand a lot cras were made when they were very overpowered and then they got a bit lowered people were angry and want them back.
A lot people go for enutrofs too but i bet you never seen a good pvp enutrof at 199-200 lvls if you say so.
People here say that iops overpowered but cmon most of comments are made by people around 70lvl when int iops are good but i think 70lvl is not the level you need to look at.
This game is about highest levels mostly becouse when you reach 200 lvl you don't have anything to do so you go pvp and iop's in nowdays pvp are weak.
Talking with friends i noticed that they don't want to pvp with iop becouse most of classes are just hunting them becouse they are easy to kill at 199-200 level.
Iop's suppose to be damage dealers but how can you say that when iop's are forced to run away and hide instead of showing damage( and their spells are not really better damage than other classes just wrath which is easy to stop) know they say best defense is ofense but looking on the other hand iop's got no defense at all and for example "most damage spell on world of twelve"-wrath do only ~1500 on a pvp eni or feca becouse they got ways to prevent and resists so how can they call it most powerfull spell ?
Also iop got a lot of damage spells which takes pretty much ap and you need to recast them too often and waste time even you don't get too much bonus from those.

Most of the classes got their modifications and iop's are still waiting hoping for it which will change some useless spells which iop's uses rarely or never uses.
Hope you read my msg

ligonis|2011-06-28 09:12:48

As i was reading first 5 forum pages i noticed everyone wants cra to get better things but let's see it from other hand a lot cras were made when they were very overpowered and then they got a bit lowered people were angry and want them back.
A lot people go for enutrofs too but i bet you never seen a good pvp enutrof at 199-200 lvls if you say so.
People here say that iops overpowered but cmon most of comments are made by people around 70lvl when int iops are good but i think 70lvl is not the level you need to look at.
This game is about highest levels mostly becouse when you reach 200 lvl you don't have anything to do so you go pvp and iop's in nowdays pvp are weak.
Talking with friends i noticed that they don't want to pvp with iop becouse most of classes are just hunting them becouse they are easy to kill at 199-200 level.
Iop's suppose to be damage dealers but how can you say that when iop's are forced to run away and hide instead of showing damage( and their spells are not really better damage than other classes just wrath which is easy to stop) know they say best defense is ofense but looking on the other hand iop's got no defense at all and for example "most damage spell on world of twelve"-wrath do only ~1500 on a pvp eni or feca becouse they got ways to prevent and resists so how can they call it most powerfull spell ?
Also iop got a lot of damage spells which takes pretty much ap and you need to recast them too often and waste time even you don't get too much bonus from those.

Most of the classes got their modifications and iop's are still waiting hoping for it which will change some useless spells which iop's uses rarely or never uses.
Hope you read my msg

Take note that the 1st 5 pages are from 2008, that's before cras got buffed, and they did suck at that time.

I honestly think this thread should be closed and a new one made as half of the thread is out-dated.

Rogues

Rogues are not so bad at PvM as they can get good combos and gather up strong forces of explosives and attacks on selected targets.
But
At PvP Rogues have no chance. Their summons have 0 agi so cannot possibly stop a person from just running away from them and as the bombs are the rogues primary attacks the class is already half but useless. And what now what do we have left...NOTHING! each element that can be used for rogues (Int,Agi,Chan) has 1 non explosive/bomb attack atleast but... they ALL either have frustrating range or type of form of attack for example boomerang daggers...i havent seen such an absurd area of attack ever! and if not the range then its some sort of diffirent drawback for example pulsar good damage and decent range BUT THE DAMAGE IS RELIANT ON MP?????!!!!! thats ridiculous i dont want to sacrifice ALL my mp just so i can get a shot at my opponent and next turn my opponent can just run and then I have to run to catch up with him and there goes my mp now what do i do i have to resort to bombs again. ROGUES. NEED. PVP. IMPROVEMENT.

Please take this message into consideration because rogues will be know as the worse PvP class to exist in dofus and that is no reputation for a class with so much potential.

Alone-And-Unafraid|2011-07-23 03:24:58

Rogues

Rogues are not so bad at PvM as they can get good combos and gather up strong forces of explosives and attacks on selected targets.
But
At PvP Rogues have no chance. Their summons have 0 agi so cannot possibly stop a person from just running away from them and as the bombs are the rogues primary attacks the class is already half but useless. And what now what do we have left...NOTHING! each element that can be used for rogues (Int,Agi,Chan) has 1 non explosive/bomb attack atleast but... they ALL either have frustrating range or type of form of attack for example boomerang daggers...i havent seen such an absurd area of attack ever! and if not the range then its some sort of diffirent drawback for example pulsar good damage and decent range BUT THE DAMAGE IS RELIANT ON MP?????!!!!! thats ridiculous i dont want to sacrifice ALL my mp just so i can get a shot at my opponent and next turn my opponent can just run and then I have to run to catch up with him and there goes my mp now what do i do i have to resort to bombs again. ROGUES. NEED. PVP. IMPROVEMENT.

Please take this message into consideration because rogues will be know as the worse PvP class to exist in dofus and that is no reputation for a class with so much potential.

I'm from Solar, and there is a rank 6 agility rogue who is just getting better, he only loses to Int iops and sacs atm, he's only 77 now, so not high lvl pvp, but he's definatly not the worse pvp class ever, you just have to work hard to make them work. They're are much more complicated than attract and punish...

pwndbyaenu|2011-07-23 07:40:42

Alone-And-Unafraid|2011-07-23 03:24:58

Rogues

Rogues are not so bad at PvM as they can get good combos and gather up strong forces of explosives and attacks on selected targets.
But
At PvP Rogues have no chance. Their summons have 0 agi so cannot possibly stop a person from just running away from them and as the bombs are the rogues primary attacks the class is already half but useless. And what now what do we have left...NOTHING! each element that can be used for rogues (Int,Agi,Chan) has 1 non explosive/bomb attack atleast but... they ALL either have frustrating range or type of form of attack for example boomerang daggers...i havent seen such an absurd area of attack ever! and if not the range then its some sort of diffirent drawback for example pulsar good damage and decent range BUT THE DAMAGE IS RELIANT ON MP?????!!!!! thats ridiculous i dont want to sacrifice ALL my mp just so i can get a shot at my opponent and next turn my opponent can just run and then I have to run to catch up with him and there goes my mp now what do i do i have to resort to bombs again. ROGUES. NEED. PVP. IMPROVEMENT.

Please take this message into consideration because rogues will be know as the worse PvP class to exist in dofus and that is no reputation for a class with so much potential.

I'm from Solar, and there is a rank 6 agility rogue who is just getting better, he only loses to Int iops and sacs atm, he's only 77 now, so not high lvl pvp, but he's definatly not the worse pvp class ever, you just have to work hard to make them work. They're are much more complicated than attract and punish...

Here in Shika they get so much haters i dont know why i think people are not bothered to raise past lvl 10 because their first assumption is that their bad. And a agilty rogue might be a little more versatile in PvP but what about int and chan?

Rogues are not attackers they are supporters and therefor are more useful in a group! and u need talent to be a good rogue

Agreed it is very dificult to play a rogue, and a the rogue from solar or one of them for goult was rank 5 at lvl 140 as a chance rogue. personally int rogues are like making a str xelor, without any wisdom.

In my opinion sadidas need a little improving, maybe make the damage they deal a little bit more stable.

Maybe making iops a little bit stronger wouldn't hurt.

srams have 3 buff spells if im correct and the buff they give isnt really that significant... +90 str isnt really much when cras can buff 250% dmg and +50dmg also... just a thought

yungkilla|2011-09-20 09:13:41

srams have 3 buff spells if im correct and the buff they give isnt really that significant... +90 str isnt really much when cras can buff 250% dmg and +50dmg also... just a thought

Srams can go invisible, enough said.

After the Feca changes I'd say the most underpowered would probably be rogue. Not necessarily because they're weak, I've seen rogues do over 1300 damage in a turn, but because they're difficulty level is off the charts. It takes serious skill to pay a rogue effectively some tweaks would be in order to make them more mainstream.

i say osa is the class in the need of the most changing. because when i first began playing dofus (when it finished both open and closed beta stages) the osa class was not a support class. but as the nerfing began and the 're-balancing of classes' started. the osa class quickly became a support class. yes there are some freaks of nature osa's out there but they have the money needed to make themselves that way, where as those that don't have the money have a very hard time doing anything from pvp to simple monster fighting. so if any class need to be brought up on the topic of improvement the osa class is the class that should be brought up.

P.S.
Classes shouldn't be Nerfed or improved based on their pvp abilities, doing things this way is wrong for the characters that don't pvp and makes things harder on that class.

Sorry but.. WHAT?

Osas are fine they are one of the most balanced classes in the game alongside fecas, enis and pandas

pwndbyaenu|2011-07-26 10:57:24

Agreed it is very dificult to play a rogue, and a the rogue from solar or one of them for goult was rank 5 at lvl 140 as a chance rogue. personally int rogues are like making a str xelor, without any wisdom.

Str xelor don't need that much wisdom, more like making a feca with only agi  

As a osa i can say we don't need any improvements. we're a balanced class.

But i can agree with Rogue's they could use a little buff imo.

My vote is also on rogues. I feel they deserve more improvement. Yes, combo are somewhat strong but pulling them off takes a lot of effort and nearly impossible on PvP. How about treating bombs as summons that is subjected to the bonus in number per "number of summonables". Give it a dmg cap when there are more than 3 bomb combo to prevent overpowered explosion.

My vote would also go to the Rogues... they can definitely have some improvements here and there.