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Yet another thread about unbalanced Kolossium with a fix suggestion.

By Swiitsy January 13, 2013, 13:08:58

Hello fellow forum users, it's me again with a another complaint

This time I am here to cry n' rage about Kolossium, the most stupid thing happened after 1.29.

It really bothers me how unbalanced, slow and stupid the matchmaking is, especially for low level players. In my opinion with a little polishing it would become more enjoyable for all players, not just for 200 levels.

So let's start with the infamous rating system, the one and only thing which makes whole kolossium so terrible. Current ''50 level gap'' between two teams is absolutely 'tarded: 150 levels with high or decent rating have to fight against 200 levels because they get put in to same fights over and over. For example I (150 level osamoda with about 1300 rating) get almost every time against a full group of 200s / 199s / 190s with some random 140-190 levels in my group, sounds really really balanced for me. The fact that level does not matter makes me wonder what the heck were devs thinking about, do they even test these things before publishing 'em?. 200 levels with about 1300 rating get easy fights just because they get 50 level lower people against them just because they happen to have same rating.

So how to fix this? It's very simple and there is multiple ways to do it (in my opinion)
First of all, lower the level gap between two groups to 20. This prevents 200 levels meeting 150 levels, because 180 levels have better chance against 200 levels than 150 levels.
As far as I have seen the 'so called ''50 level gap'' works only inside your OWN group: you get 199 200 200 vs 150 160 and 199.

OR remove whole kolossium and bring back Head hunting

TL;DR
Lower the level gap to 20-30 max levels and/or improve rating system because 50 levels is too much.


Thanks bye,
Swiitsy the raging osamoda.

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Swiitsy|2013-01-13 13:08:58
200 levels with about 3000 rating get easy fights just because they get 50 level lower people against them just because they happen to have same rating.

Nobody has 3000 rating. Nobody.
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The lvl 50 gap is for premade teams since before, there was 200, 200, 50

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With just a 20 gap, you'd have to wait AGESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS for 1 fight since you'd need to find 5 other people that are in your range.

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myosa123|2013-01-13 20:06:03
With just a 20 gap, you'd have to wait AGESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS for 1 fight since you'd need to find 5 other people that are in your range.
If it was a maximum 20 gap for any team and not just pre-made teams, then you have a point.

If interserver Kolo became real, then a max 20 gap for any team would be ok.
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I'm against any level based limit to Kolo, rating works just fine.

EX: My group of friends fought a group way out of our league level-wise.

Team 1 (Mine):

  • Level 105 Pure Summon Osa with 1.8k hp. 12ap 5mp. Has 10 summons. Rating 540.
  • Level 85 Agility Masq with 1.2k hp. 8ap 6mp. Hits about 300-500 in close range a turn. Rating 230.
  • Level 62 Chance Feca with 1.1k hp. 8ap 5mp. Shields 50 in all elements and hits 200 a turn at up to 10 range. Rating 210. (me)

Most of these ratings for the lower characters are a bit low considering they're both relatively new. Their sets are good for their levels.

Team 2 (Opponent):

  • Level 141 Strength Iop in nearly-completed Moowolf with 2k hp. 10ap 4mp. Hits around 300 per SoI x2. Rating 400.
  • Level 121 Strength Iop (another) with 1.6k hp. 9ap 5mp. Hit 150 with Concentration. Rating 300.
  • Level 86 Strength Cra with 1k hp. 8ap 6mp. Hits around 120 with Destructive and 300 with Punitive charged. Rating 280.

No idea how they got ratings that low. Maybe they're bad players? I dunno, but we fought them. I see this as very similar to a group of 150s fighting a group of 199s. It doesn't look good level-wise, right? However, the ratings are very balanced.

But who won? Team 1. We won with nearly 200 hp on the Osa and the Feca revived with 200 hp left but we still won. If we can do it, then so can the 150s.

((This literally happened about an hour ago.))

Edit: Notice how Team 2 broke the 50 level limit with Cra/Iop? Does it not apply to random groups?
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I know low rating people get more ''balanced'' fights but the problems starts when you reach +1200 rating. That is the moment when you start facing 200s more often.
And the ''pre-made group'' thing is just another failure, I always do random kolossium and still got put into same fight with 200's just because I happen to have high rating.

I really don't see how 150 level can stand against ex. 200 level 12/6 +5k hp sacri.

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It's possible. If you have a better team combo and good starting positions and also plays with a well chosen strategy and avoid mistakes. I have seen low levels win.
For an example you could get your team of 3 to fight the sac isolated from his team. It happends quite often that the sacrier Co-Operates at the beginning of the battle creating 2vs1 and 2vs1 situation on the map. But if you get back your guy, it will be 3vs1 and 0vs2. Any L.200 will die in a 3 vs 1 situation.
This was an example. Just trying to say it's possible to win.

Seeing your an osa. I'm not suprised. Some classes can fight L.200's. Can't imagen a l.150 osamodas doing so. Say an Iop can kill anyone with wrath. A xelor can cripple anyone with AP remove at any level. A panda can map manipulate even at L.50. It probably is about which class you play. Or to invent a new tactics. I don't know.

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I didn't say it's not possible.

It just really hard when fighting 200's with 10 ap and peccary, you're basically dead in 1 turn once they reach you.
Also most of the 200's have way more wisdom than you so it makes it even more harder.

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Swiitsy|2013-01-14 14:13:59
I know low rating people get more ''balanced'' fights but the problems starts when you reach +1200 rating. That is the moment when you start facing 200s more often.
And the ''pre-made group'' thing is just another failure, I always do random kolossium and still got put into same fight with 200's just because I happen to have high rating.

I really don't see how 150 level can stand against ex. 200 level 12/6 +5k hp sacri.
I've done it with my osa and 2 randoms, They lvl 200s think its an easy win and generally play quite stupidly while we generally have to talk a lot of keep on top of it, They will generally just rush in expecting for you to be dead in a few turns.
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If you're a level 150 fighting level 200s with 12/6 and 5.5k hp you must have a rating over 1800, because that's where all the 12/6 people are...

And if you have a rating that high, you deserve to be fighting something that hard. Stop exaggerating, 200s aren't all good, some earned their low rating by being very bad.

Giga-Biga-Bowser|2013-01-03 09:42:44
Level 200s can be idiots too.

And why in the world is a team with a level 60 fighting a level 140 (and winning) not the same as a team with a level 150 fighting a level 200?
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